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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Christopher L. Browne) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Christopher L. Browne)
>Subject: WinTrumpet (winsock) versions?
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 05:24:40 GMT

>I've heard that there is a new version of WinTrumpet that does article
>threading and sorting. Is this something that's available now or coming soon?

>Clbe
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Got it. ftp.cica.indiana.edu /pub/pc/win3/uploads/wt_wsk10b.zip..

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Excerpt from message from author of Trumpet for Windows, re WTWSK10B.ZIP

From: [e-mail] (Peter R. Tattam)
Subject: Serious bug in Wintrump 1.0B beta

There is a bug in the latest beta of Wintrump.  ...

BTW, this version of wintrump was inadvertantly released on the Cica archive.
Might I ask everyone to please not pass any beta versions of programs on
without my permission.  Please let those who have acquired this release of
wintrump know of the potential bug waiting to trap them.

Peter

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Subject: Re: IRC for Winsock?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Hrvoje Zorc) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Hrvoje Zorc)
>Subject: Re: IRC for Winsock?
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 08:17:27 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Erich Reimberg N.) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Erich Reimberg N.)
>>Subject: IRC for Winsock?
>>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 06:35:44 GMT

>>Hi there.

>>  Is there any IRC client application for using with Winsock ?


>>                                Erich

>Yes, it is called wirc101.zip and you can find it at
>petros.psychol.utas.edu.au /pub. I have been using it since last monday and it
>is quite nice, although there are some things that could be improved. It is
>worth trying!

>H.Zorc


try ftp.utas.edu.au:/pc/trumpet/irc/*...

somewhere in there..

Peter

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Subject: Re: sorting articles in Trumpet News Reader for Windows

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patrick Lee) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Patrick Lee)
>Subject: Re: sorting articles in Trumpet News Reader for Windows
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:58:45 EST

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Imran Niazi) writes:

>>>>anybody know how to reconfigure the news reader to sort the articles in a
>>>>different order(serially or alphabetic by subject).  That is because now it
>>>>does it in a weird way...not sure which way...
>>>
>>>Look under the "View" pull down menu item.

>>what version are you using?  in 'view' there are only three options.  'rot
>>13', 'full headers' and 'word wrap'.  I just want it to sort the articles
>>serially or alphabetically by title...etc.

>Version 1.0 Revision B. Under View, there are those three options as well as:

>by Date
>by Name
>by Subject
>by Subject Thread
>Unsorted

>>or something like that...oh well.  hmm, I should register, shouldn't I?!  how
>>much is it anyways?  I'm very poor so I hope its not a lot...

>$20 USD.

You are referring to an as yet unreleased *BETA* version.

It has been brought to my attention that this version has been uploaded to
CICA. This version is a beta test version and has one known bug which I
consider as serious.  Please do *NOT* use this version.  You may run the risk
of sending out mail with no bodies, and also having no backup copy of the mail
being sent.

A newer release is being worked on and will be ready very soon.

Please be patient everyone.

Peter

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Subject: Re: I'm ready to spend money - free and shareware WINSOCK not ok

In article <[e-mail]>,
Patrick Lee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <2k8btq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Karl Denninger) writes:
>
>>flawlessly.  It is <only> the PC platform that has trouble.  Chameleon is
>>known to be ok too, but Chameleon is $400!  For that kind of money it had
>><better> work.
>
>Actually, I had a lot of problem getting NetManage to work and finally gave up
>(it has not worked for me yet) and moved to Trumpet Winsock.

Well, since there are alternatives, and that's one of them, I'm going to be
testing it.  Will keep the net advised on the progress of this test.  I
suspect that there are going to be a bunch of these sold (I have a couple
of friends who use it and it works for them)

>>Now go into QVT and open some telnet sessions.  When I do that I see long
>>pauses in the stream -- it is apparently a problem with <short> packets
>>which get held for some indeterminate amount of time.
>
>Do it all the time - QVT Telnet works great and I don't see those long pauses
>when connecting to my service provider here. However, if you haven't noticed,
>the net as a whole has been very unstable lately. I have been getting long, 30
>second, pauses when using Telnet (to sites off my local provider) during
>normal U.S. business hours for the past month. Traceroute would tell you that
>this is happening on and off at different routers.

Uh, these are telnets to <OUR LOCAL HOSTS>.  No "net as a whole" problems
there!  I know about the problems with the net as a whole, and where -- I
run this place.

>You have yet to provide any detail on your Trumpet Winsock configuration so
>how do you except anyone to help with it? All you have been saying is that it
>doesn't work and that your Mac software work. Okay, that means your SLIP
>server is set up properly. The fact that Trumpet A17 worked but it did not
>starting A18 probably indicates your dialing script is setup incorrectly.
>Also, the current version lets you do a manual dial and login. Try that and
>see if the SLIP connection is established.

You haven't been reading my postings here then.

SLIP <DOES> come up from the dialer.  It works normally for some period of
time from seconds to hours.  After that it will start inserting long pauses
in service -- it never actually hangs - if you wait long enough, it will
come back to life.  But this can take <minutes>.  In the meantime your
session is effectively hung.  My MAC sitting right next to it on a
different IP number (but into the same terminal server) via InterSLIP works
flawlessly and never has these problems.

If you use only connection-oriented things that close down their sockets
(FTP, Mosaic, etc) it works fine.  If you start using persistent services
like Telnet for long periods you get screwed.  I get screwed consistently
by this on two different PC systems (different configs) and so have a
number of people here.  Again, the difference starts becoming pronounced at
Alpha 18 and has not improved since.

My configuration has also been posted - Windows 3.1, IBM Leopard DX3/60
board, 2xNS16550AFN serial ports, Microcom V.FC 28.8 modem, IDE disk
and Orchid video.  Clocking modems at 57600bps.  At 38400 it is noticably
better, but the problem is NOT gone.  This points to some kind of overrun
or buffering problem in the WinSOCK SLIP driver.  The same connection via
Ethernet to a Netblazer and in to our net via SLIP <NEVER> hangs up.

Sure, I can take a $3000 piece of gear home from the office and run with
that -- never to have another problem.  And my customers?  They're
twisting in the breeze for want of a working package.

I <KNOW> this is shareware, and I <KNOW> that this is not considered
"commercial grade software" but frankly I am apalled if this passes for
release quality (even V1.0).  The MAC's "shareware" software is MUCH nicer
and more stable; again, with my Powerbook I have two choices, InterSLIP or
MAC/PPP, and BOTH are stable as a rock.

Right now there is, IMHO, NO stable Shareware/Freeware Windows selection
available with internal communications and dial scripting capability.

And, until there is something I can test and prove out to be stable, I will
continue to make this known.

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In article <2k90jk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Karl Denninger) writes:

>Right now there is, IMHO, NO stable Shareware/Freeware Windows selection
>available with internal communications and dial scripting capability.

>And, until there is something I can test and prove out to be stable, I will
>continue to make this known.

That statement is fine as long as you qualify it to state that the
Trumpet Winsock is unstable on your test system.  I haven't had the
same experience on a number of different systems, but in the event
that you would like to code something better, I offer myself as a
beta-tester.

Later,
Ashok
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From [e-mail] Mon Feb 21 01:41:03 1994
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Subject: Re: Mosaic error

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul D'Ambrosio) writes:

>sends the following error: HT access: Error accessing
>hppt://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Mosaic/NCSAMosaicHome.html" Transfer
>cancelled.
>       Does anyone have a solution to suggest?

yes, pick another document.  (you might want to change the document that is autoloaded or turn off autoloading all together.)   the problem is that site is just to busy to respond too everyone (mosaic is catching on :)

Jeff Warrington.................................................